The Astrology of Frida Kahlo
This episode, we’re covering the truly iconic Cancer Sun Frida Kahlo. We discuss the role of her 12th House stellium in her life, art, and health, her synastry with Diego Rivera, her transits on the day of her tragic bus accident, what a Venus-Pluto conjunction means for your wedding day, Friday’s activated natal Jupiter during Fridamania, and more!
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ELYSE: So Dana now's a good time to find out what we're talking about today, don't you think?
DANA: I do think and today we're talking about Frida Kahlo.
ELYSE: Yes, Frida. Kahlo is a selfie queen, cultural icon, fashion icon, feminist icon, queer icon and influential Mexican painter. She's known for her self-portraits and her super salacious and dramatic life. She was in a horrific bus accident at a young age, hooked up with a ton of men and women had a real roller coaster relationship with her husband and was all about the communist party. Her life is super duper interesting and people are obsessed with her and her very prominent eyebrows. So let's learn more about her life that inspired tons of merch books, movies and art. Long after her death truly.
SARAH: Yeah and she knew about eyebrows before any of us were filling them in.
ELYSE: She really did.
SARAH: So Frida was born Magdalena Carmen Frida Kahlo y Calderon to a German father and a Mexican mother. She had three other sisters but she was for sure her dad's favorite as am I mean the only girl but
DANA: You have something in common.
SARAH: But she was a real tomboy and played a lot of sports but she also had health problems. She got polio and always had like a slight limp in her leg from then on. And then as she got older she wanted to study medicine, so she went to school to study biology, zoology and anatomy. So what are her big three?
Frida Kahlo Birth Chart
DANA: She was born on July 6th 1907 at 8:30 a.m. in Mexico.
ELYSE: She has the same birthday as my mom.
SARAH: Cute Arlene.
ELYSE: Arlene.
DANA: Okay so shout out to Arlene um Frida had a cancer sun Taurus moon and leo rising and I love this for her. I once saw someone tweet that cancer suns are what we think Scorpio Suns are and I think it's funny and arguably true, so cancers are like dark and moody and extremely funny, especially for Frida Kahlo's and she has her cancer sun in her natal 12th house which is the house of like gestation, self-destruction and self-undoing solitude and meditation and mental health and illness and sometimes physical health and illness. This will add some darkness to her uh sun which is like the luminary of light right? It's also the house of sleep and I believe it's the house of sex and vedic astrology which she was very much a sexual icon and her natal sun is conjunct Neptune within one degree and she was born four days before a solar eclipse. In cancer, conjunction Neptune and jupiter, the solar eclipse is when the sun and the moon are in the eclipse it's like a new moon and Neptune is the planet of actors and artists uh it's taking one thing and converting it into something else. And similarly, jupiter is the planet of like integration and it heals and repairs and so this is like very big artist and energy.
SARAH: Something I'm obsessed with this stellium she has in the 12th because most of her life and like her best art was made when she was literally like alone like sick on her back. So It's interesting because like the 12th house, I feel like everybody is like creeped out about but her jupiter is here and obviously Neptune but she got so much like abundance and like luck from this like very dark place.
DANA: And it's a great example of how someone can be a lot of times 12 house, I see 12 house stelliums or placements kind of um either lamented in your own chart or like fetishized in a certain way and I feel like, I know a lot of people who, I have many friends with 12, 12 stelliums who are extremely productive and not like in light, but also just sort of like she was very productive with it, you know, she also, like you said she was on her back, its opposite Capricorn and she has significant Capricorn placements to, and Capricorn is the back. So yeah, that's pretty cool. So anyway, her moon is in Taurus where its exalted and super potent since it's in the final degree of Taurus at 29° and tourist moons are comforted by art, music, poetry, luxury, lounging and sometimes even weed, I don't know if she did that. Um, I feel like we could safely say she probably, she probably did weed. Taurus Moons are like chill and easy to be around, they can also be stubborn or sleepy and we love them here at allegedly astrology and her leo rising is going to make her like a total peacock. Leo is a sign of the artist as well as like Taurus and Pisces, artist signs and leo is like the performer archetypes, So like no emotions go unused for a performer or leo, and leo is ruled by the sun and Frida's sun Neptune Jupiter conjunction is going to make her like, especially adept at converting feelings into something useful or beautiful. So, like, experimentation is also her forte.
SARAH: Yeah, I mean leo rising, like, she was so known for her fashion, which was like, so maximalist.
DANA: It being in conjunction with her chart ruler.
SARAH: Oh yeah, like you saw her and you were like, that's a leo, like even if you didn't know you would know. Um so she's living her life then on one gray rainy day she gets on a bus with her boyfriend, that honestly this bus ride changed her life forever and ever. That's because moments after sitting in the back of the bus, the bus she was on was struck in the side by an electric streetcar.
ELYSE: And this was a very serious accident and several people died on the scene though her boyfriend was fine, the same could not be said for Frida, a metal handrail from the bus broke off and had pierced her pelvis, which it sounds so painful. Then she was taken to the hospital, people didn't think she would survive, her spine was fractured in three places, her pelvis was crushed and her right leg and foot were broken, so this was a very, very serious what was going on on the day that this accident happened?
Frida Kahlo Bus Accident Transits
DANA: So this was September 17, 1925 in Mexico City, Mexico and on this day, okay, so the accident occurred on a new moon and Virgo conjunction, Mars in Virgo is a sign of health and mars is a sign of injury and puncture wounds. Um The loudest transit in this chart though is Neptune, exactly conjunct her natal ascendant. Neptune is a slow planet with like 100 and 65 year orbit. So it spends a lot of time in a certain sign and like it's extremely significant when it crosses major points in your chart, it symbolizes confusion and its conversion. So her natal Neptune is conjuncture son, which is her chart ruler for natal chart. So this is kind of one of those transits where like something happened that was always going to happen, Neptune is a very significant planet for her and it's been junked the chart ruler which is who she is So Neptune crossing her ascendant is sort of like bringing that from her 12th and to her first sort of like this faded event and she was like months away from her first nodal return which was triggered two months prior by a solar eclipse in cancer, which is her natal 12th house, which and sometimes like the 12th house relates to things you never see coming eclipses are also are like things you never see coming. And so an accident is something you never see coming and Jupiter is in tight opposition with her natal sun and Neptune um which is means it's also in tight conjunction with her natal mars retrograde in Capricorn, so this is activating her natal Neptune which is confusion and mars as injury and accidents and like mars and Neptune aspects um or transit often relate to accidents and if mercury's in the mix definitely like car accidents.
SARAH: That's crazy. And also just like that eclipse like kind of kicking it all off because this is kind of where her like solitude begins And also isn't the 12th house hospitals.
DANA: Yes it is.
SARAH: Yeah, so after this happened she had to stay in the hospital for a month and she also had to wear this plastic corset from then on for the rest of her life because her spine was like literally just like jello and after this time she started to paint because she had to stay in bed for three months and there was no internet. So she was like well I guess I learned to paint because I have nothing else better to do.
ELYSE: And after she recovered Frida joined the Mexican Communist Party and for the rest of her life remained very into politics. It was at a Communist Party event where she ran into her future husband muralist Diego Rivera but this actually wasn't their first meeting, they had actually met when she was 16 and he was 37.
SARAH: Creepy.
ELYSE: Yep. Diego had been working on a mural at her school and apparently, she played a bunch of pranks on him during this time like stealing his lunch and soaping up the steps where he was working. So lots of like playful banter and she sounds like a really fun high school. She loved that, I loved that.
SARAH: Oh my God, Diego, like when I went to the Frida, Kahlo house, I didn't know like I had heard his name before but I didn't know what he looked like and then I was looking at these pictures they have on the wall and I was like who is that absolute monster because he like no offense to him but like he was disgusting. Yeah, I'm like interested when we start talking about their synastry. So when she saw Diego again, um she had been doing her art, so this was like years later and she's like yeah what do you think of my art? And he was like, hey you're actually like pretty good, you should paint and you should also date me. So they did, they started dating and everyone thought they were just like a real freak pairing, Diego was a celebrated artist and he was like a very big well known communist and he was six ft tall, so he's super tall and he was just also like fat as hell, like he was 300 pounds and like no judgment to being cross-eyed but his eyes literally went into different directions,Like noticeably, but people said he was very charismatic and charming. So he did get a lot of girls like he got Um but Frida was 21 years younger and was like this tiny, super like very pretty girl, but they were very into each other. So what is their synastry?
Frida Kahlo and Diego Rivera Compatibility
DANA: So what is the synastry of two wealthy communists? Let's find out. Diego was born on December 8th, 1886 in Guanajuato Mexico and Diego's Neptune is conjunct Frida's natal moon and midheaven in Taurus and he also has his own moon in Taurus. So moons in the same sign indicate emotional affinity since the moon is feelings and safety. And it also means that they'll be experiencing the same transits to their natal moons around the same times. We don't know the exact degree of his natal moon but still like it'll be a window of time where similar things like could happen to them and like it can obviously manifest you know differently based on their lives and everything and circumstances but still, so this Neptune conjunct her natal moon and midheaven is cool also since she already has such a familiarity with her natal Neptune conjunction. It'll sound like she's familiar with this Neptunian energy and it's hitting her other luminary and she was in a major bus accident where Neptune was on her ascendant. So meeting Diego maybe felt like getting slammed with a bus of love, you know? Um and like Neptune synastry is also apt for an artist couple or anyone, it just kind of really things like that sort of sometimes with Neptune, it can make people project too much, but for artists, they're already used to like translating any sort of projection into another like, you know, medium. So, I just like that a lot. They also both have mars in Capricorn where it’s exalted, which means they will have similar styles for fighting and fucking mars is the planet of fighting and fucking and Capricorn, that style is like putting in work and like getting the job done by any means necessary, which sounds hot and I mean like Diego had his eyes on everything all the time, right? So it's very mars in Capricorn,
ELYSE: Easy to do when your eyes go in two different directions.
DANA: His natal chiron is conjunct her natal venus Pluto conjunction in Gemini and this is like sexual healing on a tilt-a-whirl. Gemini is quick and chaotic of course and venus is the planet of love, Pluto is power and frequently relates to like sex or you know kink since I think to me those are similar things and sex is like the medium where people work out their unconscious and so is also kind of like depth psychology and chiron is like healing. It's like taking off the bandage and putting on the new us born. So this is like cute and fun and very horny.
SARAH: He has a Sag stellium. He probably was very fun and Sag Venus. So that's probably why he was cheating on everyone.
ELYSE: Yes. Well speaking of there were tons of flags with their relationship. For starters, Diego was married when he met Frida but that didn't stop him from trying to date her. He was also married twice before and spoiler alert, he did end up marrying Frida. Their friends were not into the idea of them being together and neither were her parents and one of Frida's friends even called Diego a quote potbellied, filthy old man, which I wish I could say that in spanish.
DANA: Oh my. God, I bet it would sound so fun.
SARAH: Yeah, well eventually they did get married and her parents because everyone just like really just shit on him all the time. It seems like her parents described their relationship as the marriage between an elephant and a dove.
DANA: Oh my God.
SARAH: So what was happening on their wedding day?
Frida Kahlo and Diego River’s First Wedding Day Transits
DANA: They were married on August 21, 1929 and so venus was conjunct Pluto in cancer on this day. And so this is major for, you know, some reasons the first is that it's in cancer and they both have significant cancer placements, Frida has her sun, Jupiter, Neptune and north node stellium in Cancer and Diego has his natal Saturn in cancer. And venus is love and Pluto again is everything we just said, death psychology, sex. It's like magnanimous and it makes anything in aspects like fraught and horny or just sort of like, it's like weighted, I mean Cancer is going to be like very wet and kind of cold in like a solemn catholic schoolgirl way. It's also significant because Frida has this aspect, Natalie, her natal venus and Pluto are conjunct So whenever like a natal aspect occurs in transit, we might also sort of feel that familiar heaviness. It's, it's significant, you know?
SARAH: Yeah.
ELYSE: Interesting. I wonder how she felt on this day doesn't seem like an overwhelmingly joyous day.
DANA: Venus and Pluto is on her Jupiter and Jupiter is celebrations and his Saturn is on her Jupiter. So it could just be like judging up that whole Saturn is like bondage and Jupiter is like, I'm not familiar enough with kink but it's all this energy Venus, Pluto Saturn Jupiter, they're like, it’s like celebrating also she's marrying someone older. So that's where Saturn can come in.
SARAH: Yeah, I feel like also too it's like it was probably clear that everyone at this wedding like wasn't into it. So I feel like sometimes it makes you more into the person when you know, everyone hates them.
DANA: Especially for people with like a Sagittarius gemini placements, you know?
SARAH: Yeah, just psychos. So they get married, they eventually moved to the United States for a few years because Diego at this point is like a pretty big deal. So people keep throwing money at him too, like come to different cities to paint murals. So they lived in quite a few cities in the US, they lived in san Francisco, then they moved to new york and then Detroit, which Detroit for some reason really surprised me but during this time Frida was having a lot of problems with her health and she also had a few miscarriages which made her super depressed because like yeah, sad and throughout her life, especially during this time she had chronic pain and her mom died. So it was just like all these things at once. So during this time she was like very devastated and just in a very dark place.
ELYSE: And Frida took these negative feelings and depression and channel them into her art, which helped her create some of her most intensely personal works. Her art focused on the themes of death, chronic pain and the human body and she focused a lot on self portraits, she was very inspired by Mexican folk art and used bright, vibrant colors. The way she painted was very sort of fantastical, mixed with realistic elements. And even so, people associate her with the surrealist movement and the surrealist movement was a type of art that showed these sort of like strange abstract scenes, but Frida did not associate herself with surrealism. So that was something uh that someone else put on her. But she did not accept that.
SARAH: No, she did not accept that. But once again, all of this to me is like just so 12th house stellium but also with a sprinkling of that like Leo rising, it's like, I'm gonna take all this sad as shit and then I'm gonna like make it into bright art with like little monkeys in it and stuff like that. Um besides her art, she was also very well known for the way she dressed, she was very much into her Mexican heritage. So she started wearing this traditional Tijuana address which included like very Lana Del Rey vibes. It was like a flowered headdress. And then after that nothing is Lana Del Rey. It was like a loose shirt, jewelry and a really big skirt. She was very, I know it's honestly really cool looking, she was really big on maximal ism And her style was very, they call it like beautiful, ugly. Like I think her in general made it beautiful and it was so brightly colored, but like if a normal person wore it, you would be like what the fuck is that trash person doing. Um But something that I really liked learning about her was that she embellished the things that she was insecure about, which I feel like it's a very fashion, anything to do. So you know, she had to wear a corset her whole life because her spine was like not real anymore, but what she did was she put like feathers on her corset and she put like jewels and like pearls and wore it like on the outside of her clothing sometimes. So it became this like statement piece um and then it became like cool artwork and now like designers kind of like nod back to her all the time.
ELYSE: That is very cool. And yeah, fashion people are obsessed with her because she had a lot of attitude with how she dressed, designers are still inspired by her celebrities are inspired by her Beyonce was Frida for Halloween once and even kim Kardashian wore a dress that was inspired by her artwork, which I don't know how Frida would feel about that, but whatever. Um so Frida was very known for her aesthetic dana, is there anything in her chart that might reflected pensions for special?
Friday Kahlo’s Midheaven in Taurus
DANA: Uh so Frida's midheaven is in Taurus, which is a sign known for style and grace and the midheaven is what we're known for and how we're seeing in the public um in in famous people's charges also publicity her moon is also on her mid heaven and Taurus and the moon is like feelings as well as the body. So for a Taurus moon fashion and adornment or like a form of therapy and Taurus is ruled by venus and her natal venus is conjunct pluto in gemini and once again, this aspect is like total freak mode. Taurus is associated with like great taste but rarely like originality and never loudness, but like this aspect totally measures up that like sort of moon midheaven conjunction and it becomes what she's known for, which is what the mid heaven is. And so since like Geminis her 11th houses, especially lasting since the 11th house relates to our audiences and like when we're alive and also after we are dead and she's a leo rising and a leo rising wants to be seen at the end of the day doing anything. So like forcing people to see her as a really great start.
ELYSE: Love it, love it.
SARAH: So in 1938, Frida's art was finally starting to get recognized, you know, she was like hurt her husband there chilling an artist circles, like she's kind of like look at my art friend and they're starting to talk about her talent. Eventually she had her first solo exhibition ever in New York which is a very big deal and she even went to Paris to like show off her shift and the loop bought like one of her artworks though her career was starting to take off, like her marriage was just like really in the shitter.
ELYSE: Yeah, her marriage with Diego was unsurprisingly very tumultuous. Diego was known for running around town with other women Frida also cheated on him a ton too though, both with men and women. And in fact one notable hookup of hers was Leon Trotsky who was the famous Marxist.
SARAH: Remember when Dana thought she was a Marxist for like two weeks?
DANA: I thought I was a Marxist that I thought I was a neo Marxist and I still don't know what either of them are. So I resolved that I probably might not be either.
ELYSE: Former neo-Marxist Dana DeFranco over here.
DANA: I don't know, fairly liberal person I guess.
ELYSE: Um but no matter how many affairs Frida had, she was still very emotionally attached to Diego. So when Frida would find out that he was cheating, she would get very sick and depressed, but her illness would go away the moment he came back to her. So this was sort of like the pattern on and off again on and off again until Diego cheated on Frida with her own younger sister, which way too far. The line was crossed completely. So they got they got divorced finally and what was their chart like?
Frida Kahlo and Diego Rivera Divorce Astrology
DANA: That was on November 6, 1939 and chiron was in cancer and chiron again is a wounding and on that day when they got divorced it was exactly conjunct Frida's jupiter and Diego’s Saturn. And Jupiter and Saturn are the original slow planets, meaning they like mark significant turning points in our lives when they transit our natal planets or like receive transits because like they just like hang out longer in certain areas of the chart. So it's things that unfold over a period of time. It's an era as opposed to a day or a week. Mars is also conjunct his descendant, which is like almost too on the nose. Mars is the planet of severance and the descendant is like marriage contracts and committed partnership. So this is just acting that and then also Uranus is in Taurus where both of them have their natal moons and Frida has her midheaven there as well. The moon’s emotions and security and the mid eaven is social status and Uranus is major changes. So this I think speaks for itself. Um the north node is conjunct Diego's jupiter in libra and Jupiter is like beneficence integration, reparation belief and in libra is going to channel like all those things through relationships and fashion. Jupiter in libra is often a really fashionable placement but anyway, the north node is also like a point of increase in fated event. So this is kind of an example of something where maybe it would be predicted as an exciting great time, but there's something else in store for you. So sometimes great trend like things that look like great aren't so great and things that ones that like look bad end up kind of being like really good or helpful.
ELYSE: But wouldn't you seem, wouldn't you assume that get divorcing this douche bag is a good thing?
DANA: But he has this transit happening to him.
ELYSE: Ohh.
DANA: Yeah, I guess also in I think vedic astrology again, the nodes are malefic always but like evolutionary modern astrology, I think a lot of times they're especially the north node is associated with like evolution. I just sort of associate them with like twisting, turning points, things that are like almost astronomical.
SARAH: Yeah. I also feel like the Jupiter north node thing in libra is just like freedom. Like you're getting your chance to like go flirt with other people now. Like you ain't got no wife,
DANA: You ain't got no wife. You're free. Guess what now you're really free. How about that? About that Diego elephant, your dove is gone. She's flying away.
SARAH: So speaking of the dove, freedom moves out of the house. She lives in with Diego and during this time she is honestly just like cranking out all this art and this art that she's making become some of her most famous works eventually. And she was also though just like drinking a ton because she was super sad still about her divorce from Diego.
ELYSE: Yeah, and a mutual friend of the former husband and wife wrote to Frida and told her that Frida should get back together with Diego because everyone knows he has two great loves painting and women and he's never going to be with only one woman so you might as well just be married to him, which honestly this does not track for like, I don't care, you know.
SARAH: I just realized now they are honestly the old school Khloe and Tristan because remember how Tristan's friend was like, oh he just, he's not mean, he just wants to do whatever the hell he wants.
DANA: He is only interested in his own motives and his own interests that he's not an asshole, he's just a complete narcissist, it's fine.
SARAH: So sadly much like Khloe, Frida was like, you know what, I guess this is like pretty reasonable, so she decides to remarry Diego, but she does have two conditions, um, no sex and no money. The first one is pretty self-explanatory, but the second one, no money meant that like they would split everything 50 50 and he agreed, so they got married. So what is going on for around this time?
Frida Kahlo and Diego Rivera Reunion Transits
DANA: Alright, so this was December 8, 1940, which is Diego's birthday. So it coincides with like his, it's his solar return.
SARAH: He literally got married on his birthday,
DANA: Happy birthday, Diego, we're not going to fuck ever again, but let's be roommates, how about that? Um, basically it also coincided with like not the exact day of the great conjunction in Taurus. We’ve talked a lot about great conjunctions on other episodes that you can go back and listen to. We've also talked a lot about how significant Taurus is for them as a couple right? And so here we have these two things coming together. The great conjunction is often like societal but when it happens to your personal placements also is significant, especially if you're famous and so on. The great conjunction is like uh when jupiter conjoined Saturn and here they are copresent with uranus in Taurus and so for them it's it's in the sign of their moon. So it's realigning their feelings and uranus is exactly conjunct Frida's midheaven when this happens when they like got remarried, which I assume was just like signing a contract since it seemed really not romantic at all. Um and like since the midheaven relates to social status is like really on the nose with uranus there, it's like completely renegotiating her contract with her ex-husband to be like marriage again but her style and like not at all traditional uranus is like the joker, it's not associated with tradition, it's associated with diverting from tradition and this is a very unique marriage contract like they are freak mode.
ELYSE: And not at all surprisingly though they got married again, the exact same problems from their first marriage still went on Diego still cheated on her um with models that he painted, which like gross and they got into a lot of fights Frida also had affairs with both men and women on the side too, but it didn't make her feel any better. It was just everything was just back to square one.
SARAH: Yeah. And as Frida got older, her health really began to decline, You know, she wasn't even that old, she was in her 40s, but she had a ton of painful operations that she had to go through and eventually her right leg was even amputated and to deal with the pain, she just like drank a ton and eventually she became addicted to painkillers and sadly she died at the age of 47, which is super young. Some people think that she committed suicide, but her official cause of death was a pulmonary embolism, which is a blood clot in your lungs. So what was going on that day?
Frida Kahlo Death Transits and Progressions
DANA: That was July 13, 1954 and okay, so this is like a very wild chart. I had to select some things on the day Frida died, mars was conjunct her lot of death to the degree. So lots are conceptual.
SARAH: I wonder if she did kill herself then because mars.
DANA: It could be, well mars like she has a day chart which means the sun is above the horizon. So mars is the most challenging planet in her chart and her natal mars is exalted in Capricorn. So it's dignified but it's retrograde. And so it's just sort of like very loud right? Like and so many things happened to where I feel like she was cut open.
SARAH: Mm hmm. Yeah true. She had so many surgeries.
DANA: So it's a lot like lots of these like conceptual points um in a chart that are based on calculations of other chart points. And they were like utilized by ancient astrologers and they've been revived you know in the past few decades. So they're fascinating and I don't work with them with a ton just randomly decided to look up hers today. So it was pretty wild that we have this. They also need people to know that conjunctions to you. A lot of death will happen every year. The moon will can join it once a month. It does not mean that it's your death. So let's look at why it was for her. So like Frida had entered 12th house year, the week prior and the 12th house is the house that symbolizes just chasing periods. Also like death. It's like where we're in our mother's womb. So it's also kind of like where were you know going back um and cancer’s her 12th house. So this sign is also activating like it's her, it means that her the moon is her time lord. But it's also activating her natal sun mars opposition And so the sun is her chart ruler and the chart ruler is who we are in our chart. So this is her, it's activating her spirit and her body as well. And Pluto was exactly conjunct her ascendant on this day. Pluto is power and death. Uranus was exactly conjunct her North node on this day in her activated house and it's like the eclipse point that relates to fated you know just like heavy moments. Uranus is sudden plots twists so that's sort of that the south notice conjunct her natal sun and the South note relates to decrease and like removal and again the sun is her spirit in her body and her chart ruler. So this also coincides with her nodal opposition.
SARAH: My God.
DANA: And that happens every 19 years And it corresponds to the 27 club. So maybe maybe there's like also a 46-47 club in Hollywood, I don't know. But then also I had to check her secondary progressed chart and in her secondary progressions, mars is conjunct both Uranus and her IC. Uranus was conjuncti Kobe's IC when he died tragically. Um and again Uranus plot twists. Um It also it shows up a lot of depth charts just it's like shocking and the IC is great endings and great beginnings and it's also very much activated in death charts and mars severs. Again, mars is the most challenging planet in her chart because she has a day chart and it's activated like at least three times that I just listed which I did because Mars on the death point isn't going to be death unless like activated over and over again. And even then it might not be right. So also finally the nail in the coffin is that the moon crossed her a lot of death that day. Like so it crossed mars and crossed her lot of death. So the moon is like her time lord and it like rules so many planets in her chart and whenever the moon, like in just general astrology, like activates the heavens on earth. So it like manifests astrology into our reality, right? Like it's like tides. It's like the only planet that astrology that science confirms like the astrology of I guess right? So there we go.
SARAH: It's interesting to how the 12th house is like so significant in her life.
DANA Yeah, kind of like kicked her off and ended with the 12.
ELYSE: That's all you need to remember from Dana. The 12th house brought her in and took her out.
DANA: Also, that lot of death is significant, but I'll give you 29 reasons why it also isn't.
ELYSE: Yes, true. So Frida had a lot of success as an artist during her lifetime. But it was after she died that she actually got most of her notoriety and fame, she started to get popular in the late 1970s when her work was rediscovered by art historians and political activists. Her popularity eventually grew so much by the 21st Century Art and Pop Culture critics began calling it Fridamania.
SARAH: Yes. And she eventually became an icon for like a million different groups of people and her face was everywhere. Her life was even adapted for the big screen in the 2002 Hollywood movie Frida starring Salma Hayek, which literally in this moment I realized well not this moment, like two days ago I always thought her name was Selma but it is Salma, everyone knew that.
DANA: I looked her up a lot. I think she's like the hottest woman in Hollywood. I love her old clothes in the nineties.
SARAH: Oh nice.
ELYSE: The 90s fashion icon for sure.
SARAH: Anyway, back to Frida, what was going on when you know all these people were jerking for her again?
Frida Kahlo’s Jupiter Return
DANA: Okay, so when the movie came out on October 25, 2000 to Jupiter is in Leo in her first house. So this is like literally like the celebration of her life. And also jupiter like so her jupiter's in cancer in her natal chart. And so she had her jupiter return in the year leading up which probably was a lot of like publicity and you know decisions and so it's activating her natal jupiter which I see jupiter transits and jupiter activations a lot in the charts of dead people who suddenly I like brought back to life through memory and whatnot. Also we have Saturn on her venus Pluto conjunction and like Saturn gets flack. I know but Saturn is also commitment and posterity so it's like memorializing her life for like you know it's like cementing it in a really significant way obviously because I'm not sure that I knew who she was before that film.
SARAH: Oh, I feel like she was always been like around until like someone pointed her out and then you're like oh yeah.
ELYSE: Like you were only 13 at the time so you didn't have a lot of art history life that you were living.
DANA: She made me feel really good about my Unibrow for sure, I'm sure
ELYSE: Yeah unibrow kids unite.
SARAH: So today you could find Frida's paintings all over the world but a recent exhibition of her at the Portland Art Museum um has really brought all the critics to the yard. Um people are now saying that she appropriated indigenous cultures and the way she painted and dressed for months ago. Yeah her mom was like an indigenous mexican woman. So she also indigenous. And also like her ancestry is like a big theme in her art. So it's not like she randomly did this once. Like this is like a big part of her life. And also people are mad that you know, she was like from a rich family and was like down for communism.
DANA: I mean that's annoying for sure. But like what are we going to do? Cancel Someone who's dead, cancel the people who are alive and who are taking all of your money dummies. What's wrong with you? Focus on things that matter and are happening now. You have so much energy and no focus.
ELYSE: Portland needs to calm down. I feel like this is a plot line from Portland. Yes. Alright, well that's all we've got for Frida land. She's the ship. And I'm sorry she was stuck with fatty Diego her own life. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. We can't, we can't body shame here. Alright, well that's it for Frida next week. We'll be talking about the Hillsong Church scandal. Can't wait.
SARAH: A lot of Bieber mentioning.
ELYSE: Ok, well with that I'm Elyse.
DANA: I’m Dana.
SARAH: And I'm Sarah.
ELYSE: And this is Allegedly Astrology.