The Astrology of Carl Lentz and Hillsong Church
This episode, we’re covering the astrology behind scandal-packed megachurch Hillsong. We discuss founder and Aquarius Sun Brian Houston, the Sag stellium when the church was founded,
Justin Bieber’s 9th house profection year, nodal returns, the synastry behind Scorpio Carl Lentz and the Biebs’ bromance and mucho mas!
Transcription
ELYSE: Okay. Hello and welcome to Allegedly Astrology. Each week we break down the astrology that happened during some of the biggest scandals and events in history.
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ELYSE: So let's get into today's topic, Dana. What are we covering today?
DANA: We're talking about Hillsong Church.
ELYSE: Oh, yes, Hillsong Church and that is a megachurch, that's part evangelical, part Australian, part Grammy winning music group, part wannabe hype beast. So a lot a lot of hyphens there with this church, but the church is known as one of the most influential megachurches in America and its pastors skyrocketed in popularity. Thanks to Justin Bieber and other famous celeb parishioners. However, lately the church has been facing a real pr nightmare thanks to the countless scandals and now even a discovery plus uh docuseries spilling all the tea. Um it's three parts, it's called Hillsong colon a megachurch exposed. So before we learn about the church's astrology, let's hear how it all began.
SARAH: I love a three part series exposing a megachurch. But Hillsong is described by some as Australia's greatest cultural export.
ELYSE: That’s pretty sad.
SARAH: I know this weird church but it has 100 well also I guess that's like you know how people are like, well one of my friends is from New Zealand and she has like a hard bias against Australians. And I know the thing about Australia's people say like, do you know it's just a country made of prisoners.
DANA: Jail nation.
SARAH: Yeah. So maybe this is its greatest cultural expert sorry to our Australian listeners because we do have some forgive us also. So anyway, Hillsong has 131 churches and 30 countries, 150 I think it's probably I said just only 100 and 50. But I think it's like 100 and 50,000 or a million weekly congregants and over three billion youtube views. It was founded by this guy Brian Houston and his wife Bobbie. Brian was the senior global pastor at Hillsong, but he stepped aside for the time being, which we'll get to later, he's part new Zealander, part Australian and you know, he had a few siblings, they all grew up, Super Pentecostal and his parents were even pastors themselves.
ELYSE: And if you're not familiar with what Pentecostalism. Pentecostalism is a type of Christianity that believes you have to have a very intense transformative experience with the holy spirit. And there's a lot of speaking in tongues, a lot of accepting jesus as your personal savior and they believe the bible is completely true and everything written is exactly as it happened. End of story.
SARAH: Yes. Also I just remembered well catholic time Pentecost, it's like that one day where like didn't the holy spirit come and like visit someone it's red.
DANA: I don’t know, but speaking in tongues would freak me out and I'm a Gemini.
SARAH: Yeah, that's saying a lot. So yeah, what's um brian's big three?
Brian Houston Birth Chart
DANA: Okay Brian was born on February 17, 1954 in Auckland New Zealand and we don't know what time, so we don't know his rising, but we know he's an Aquarius sun and a leo moon. And so the sun is in detriment in Aquarius because the sun is about our individual human spirit and Aquarius is the sign of the masses. Um the sun rules leo, which is a sign, fully contained within the summer season and Aquarius season occurs in the dead of winter. So it kind of gives you an idea about why the sun isn't always great there or doesn't feel comfortable doesn't make him a bad person, but Aquarius Suns are concerned with their place among the crowd or the group and distinguishing themselves and it's like pretty fitting for a preacher, you know, who like deals with a group. Um, Leo moons require external validation as like their basic human need. Leo's the hype man of the zodiac and the moon is like what we need to feel safe and secure in life. And leo and Aquarius are opposite signs and when the sun and the moon are in opposite signs, it's a full moon and full moons are all about like awareness and human relationships, which I think would be good for a pastor maybe. Um, and leo full moon every year is like an interesting one because it's ruled by the sun in detriment. So it's kind of like a beacon of hope that occurs in the middle of winter. So maybe he thinks, you know, like maybe he feels a little like that light that spark in winter or something.
ELYSE: Honestly, this chart is like big pastor energy.
SARAH: Yeah, big pastor energy. Eventually Brian gets older and you know, he meets his wife, they moved to Sydney and just like his chart might suggest he becomes an assistant pastor to his dad who at this point had his own Pentecostal megachurch himself and Brian’s like this is great, but I think we need to update this vibe for the current decade. So he starts an offshoot of that church and that's what becomes Hillsong, so what was happening when Hillsong was founded?
Hillsong Church Founding
DANA: Okay, so Hillsong was founded um in 1983 according to religion.fandom.com Slash wiki slash Hillsong church. They said it was formed in august in Sydney Australia. And so since we don't have the exact date, I like looked at the whole month of august 1983 and jupiter uranus Neptune and the south node were all in Sagittarius. Sagittarius is the sign of religion and beliefs and preaching from like our soapbox. Sagittarius is like very fun and a lot has to do with like being a full-on fanatic, speaking in tongues perhaps. Um jupiter rules Sagittarius and jupiter's faith belief, hope, idealization and like reparation or integration like a church Uranus is shocked, surprised or extremism Neptune is transcendence, deception or like dissolution, jupiter and Neptune, especially speak to religious or like transcendent experiences as well as like fanaticism and complete or utter delusion I guess kind of like, you know what we need for religion or stuff. Um or love. Um but yeah, like finally the south node is like an eclipse point and it points to what's comfortable in a society and often like what cultural conventions are being reviewed or reformed changed maybe. Um so that's kind of like what he did with his dad's church, right? He like wanted to update the church and then in like a larger cultural context, it coincided with the satanic panic. But yeah, so in august 1983 Venus stationed retrograde in Virgo square the Sagittarius stellium that I just talked about. Venus retrograde is like a time for reviewing values and love. Virgo is the sign of the virgin and like, so it represents purity. Virgos are intelligent, observant, obsessive and like obsessive about achieving perfection. And so when it's square, the Sag stellium, uh, it would like be this like feeling of like compulsion to purify your beliefs and values since venus is involved like venus is also money. So perhaps it could have been an opportunity to capitalize on religion and I mean that's kind of a hot take but also Venus retrograde back into leo where it is all about loving yourself and individual values, which could also be about making your own money. I don't even know if you said that it was a for profit church or not. I just kind of assume it is because carl lentz had a Saint Laurent jacket. So finally though in 1983 in august 1983 Saturn entered Scorpio. So it started the month in libra and entered Scorpio by the end of the month. This was also big satanic panic vibes. Saturn is like restriction rules discipline and starvation and Scorpio is the depths of despair. So Saturn in Scorpio can relate to like shame and like wanting to purify the culture or like the individual depending on. It probably had a lot of people running to church.
SARAH: Well also I think this is interesting to just of the venus retrograde in Virgo Square, like all that Sag stuff because to me that's like really like reviewing like your values, but also when it comes to like your day, like Virgo to me is very like daily duties, like the stuff that you have to do every day and this church very much was its goal was to be able to be like Christian in your daily life and like almost like not let it fuck with the secular world, like because you know when you think of someone that speaks in tongues are like, oh that person's like probably a freak, but like this church, they wanted you to be like, oh, like I could go do my like speaking in tongues thing but still like be cool about it and still like live my life like a normal person in society.
ELYSE: Speaking in tongues yet cool, got it.
DANA: But make it fashion.
ELYSE: Yeah, I mean, Hillsong really sought out to modernize the church. They really wanted to take the whole Pentecostal thing and make it less polarizing to outside society. So today they're known for their like younger charismatic Pentecostal ministers, which GQ once referred to as high priests and they're very upbeat sermons, they even have their own app. Um but the thing that really differentiates the megachurch and makes them popular is their music.
SARAH: Yes, they're very much into music in church services. But you know, it's not like your normal old like kind of, we go to catholic church, at least we were raised catholic. So you know, it's not that like sad droll.
ELYSE: I will raise you up on Eagle's Wings. This is not that one. That's a, that's a funeral song. But honestly things, honestly Catholics, like music is so bad that that used to be my favorite song. Like I was excited when I heard Eagle's Wings because even though that meant that someone probably died, I was like, oh, at least it's a song that's like kind of fun.
DANA: I like the Lord of the Dance.
SARAH: Yeah, that was a good one.
DANA: They wouldn't let me dance for the fishermen for James and john.
SARAH: That's when, you know, it's, yeah, you finished when church closes out with that, you're like, it's going to be, we're going out to. So it was not like that at all. Um, the music at Hillsong is like a pop concert. This one GQ writer that did a profile on Hillsong described the songs as like Selena Gomez grade ballads just with like Christian lyrics. So you know, imagine like love you like a love song, but only instead of those lyrics that would be like my Savior on that cursed tree or the furious love plate waste of my sin.
ELYSE: Honestly, You know, sometimes when you're like on a road trip and you're like trying to like tune to like stations and then you like hear something that sounds pretty good and then you realize you've accidentally stumbled across a Christian station and you're like, they tricked me.
SARAH: Oh yeah.
ELYSE: But honestly, I mean some of some of that shit is a bop and like when Hillsong’s case their music is so well done that they have literally won Grammys their platinum selling one of their singles hit almost one million streams in its first week and all of this really attracts sick young churchgoers and today their sermons are broadcast around the globe to 50 million people in 60 languages which is pretty wild.
SARAH: Besides the whole music thing, Hillsong is especially known for its celebrity following. So you know, you've got chris pratt, Vanessa hudgens, kylie and Kendall, Jenner, kevin Durant, kyrie, Irving, Selena Gomez Hailey baldwin. And even bono, haven't seen attending if I said bono at Hillsong and be like, I really got to go.
ELYSE: Just have to say there's a few flat earthers in that, in that I just mentioned. So take that with a grain of salt.
SARAH: So the celebrity thing even including the flat earthers is what put this church on the map, but the celebrity that honestly like was there shot to fame was Justin Bieber baby boy.
ELYSE: Yep J Biebs and let's let's go all the way back to 2014, right, Justin Bieber was not the same Bieber he is in 2022 this was his year of like really acting a fool and started with him like egging his neighbor's house for some reason, which he was later charged with misdemeanor vandalism, he got a D. U. I. In Miami beach was charged with resisting arrest, he got a bunch of tattoos, he was charged with assault a bunch of times after getting into fights with a limo driver, a fan, various photographers, even Orlando bloom. Um though a lot of the charges were later dropped, he just had this really bad press here for him.
SARAH: I mean to be fair, I would also fight Orlando bloom, like someone who was like easy to fight.
DANA: For sure.
SARAH: But regardless, Justin was like a real wreck to the point that there was a petition to send him back to Canada, which I forgot about, but then remembered when I saw that and you know, just because we're here, Justin is hijacking this podcast for a second, what was going on his chart at this time in 2014.
Justin Bieber 2014 Astrological Transits
DANA: It was a pleasure to look at this as someone who has terminal Bieber fever, so Bieber’s in the ninth house year in annual perfections and he has cancer on his ninth house and cancer is ruled by the moon, so the moon is his timelord and the ninth house is all about spirituality and religion and like this is the year to get saved and his solar return chart, Jupiter is conjunct his progressed moon in cancer and is activated.
SARAH: Ninth House, wow!
DANA: So much Jupiter in this episode about religion. So the progressed moon is like someone's chart or the progressive in someone's chart will indicate the focal point of like their emotional development at that period of time. The sign it's in indicates like the agenda or the mood and like how their needs might be shifting and the house it's in will be like the area of life where the events are unfolding. And so this could be especially significant since the moon was his time Lord that year. And like I've been saying jupiter is the planet of faith and salvation. And so when it's on his progressed moon, it's showing like where his belief is shifting to accommodate his changing needs and Saturn was in Scorpio in his first house from October 2012 through December 2014 and it also crossed his natal Jupiter actually has a whole first house stellium Jupiter the north node Pluto and his ascendant. But yeah, so across all these planets, but also, so it's crosses natal Jupiter that's dual Jupiter activation and when Saturn transits your first house, it's like an era that forces you to mature and take responsibility for your actions if you're lucky and if you're unlucky, it could also be a time maybe when you're like punished or shunned from your community or society or you know slammed in the tabloids if you're famous. Also this was during his Chiron opposition and so Chiron is like the comet that is the wound that never heals or that can really only be healed through relationship and like healing others and the opposition is an aspect of like awareness. So it's probably a time where Justin like realized that he wasn't always going to be like the golden boy, he wasn't always going to be a child even though he kind of like never really had a childhood. I feel like he's probably just dealing with a bunch of all that shit right? And so I'm really sad for how hard this must have been for him but I'm proud for how he handled it and how far he's come.
SARAH: Also, too. I feel like with Jupiter like it obviously expands everything it touches so besides religion that's probably also why he was just being like a complete another maniac that year.
DANA: And it’s trining his natal Jupiter and he has all this Pisces so he's very water. And so with that cancer it's like pulling in the third water sign. He doesn't have any cancer in his natal chart. So it could just be like water chaos, right feelings, no logic.
SARAH: One of the things I read about one of the things that he did was he was smoking so much weed on his private plane with his dad that the pilots had to wear gas masks. But anyway, the reason why all of this is so important is because this year 2014 was how Justin met one of hill songs, eventually most famous pastors Carl Lentz and this meeting was what catapulted the Hillsong church to fame in the US.
ELYSE: Yes, so a little bit about Carl Lentz, he's a dad, husband and spoiler alert, former celebrity pastor, he's known for his look, which is tattoos, hipster glasses, designer clothes and for having a huge Instagram following. Before he was a regular on TMZ profiled by GQ, interviewed by Oprah and seen on Kourtney Kardashian's Instagram, he was just a regular dude from Virginia that like dropped out of college and eventually ended up in Australia studying theology. And this is where he met Hillsong founder Brian Houston and got in touch with that church family. So then Carl was eventually asked to help open the Hillsong location in New York. So before we get more into him and his bromance with J Biebs’, what is Carl's big three?
Carl Lentz Birth Chart
DANA: Okay, so Carl Lentz was born on November 6, 1978 in Virginia Beach Virginia and we don't know what time. Um but we do know that he has a Scorpio sun and either a Capricorn or Aquarius moon the moon like change signs late in the morning. So Scorpio sons are mysterious, dark and like acquainted with human suffering and they exploit this. We all know um the sun is the spirit and Scorpio is like the guts are like the body, the roots of the earth, Scorpio is a water sign which means it operates on intuition and scorpios channel that intuition like through their gut feeling, so they're always acting like not just on like instinct of like the mind, it's like through their body in that way and if his moon is in Capricorn then like he might be reticent to indulge in his deep emotions, which could lead someone to the church. Um the moon's in detriment in Capricorn, which means it operates like against its nature somewhat and it could be denying like your needs in order to get a task done on a day, but in like your natal chart, that's your whole life. So if his moon is in Aquarius though, it's still not going to indulge every emotion but it will have like a more detached point of view and like maybe a bit more friendly and a bit more like human.
SARAH: Despite being a freak, he was super charismatic, so he was just living his best like Christian life when one day he gets a call from someone saying that, you know, they're like, yo carl, like we have someone that's this young kid who's struggling and like you really need to help him and Carl's like okay I am a man of Christ so sure and that young kid happens to be Justin Bieber, so they talk and Justin's allegedly like, hey, like I really need to be baptized, I need to know Jesus, so um I'm still not sure why, but besides like probably being a flex, Carl baptized Justin Bieber in NBA star Tyson Chandler's bathtub and from that moment on Justin apparently rededicated his life to Christ and Carl and him became super close. So close that Justin even lived with Carl which is weird.
ELYSE: That is weird. But yeah, Justin and Carl were often seen out together and people said their relationship was intense. Um others said Carl was very influential on Justin and helped make many of his life decisions. In fact, some people say that Karl was the one who told him to abruptly cancel his purpose tour, but Carl denies saying that Justin should cancel it regardless of what happened. They obviously have a very interesting relationship so what is their biwheel like?
SARAH: And let us all recall that by well helps us look at the synastry between two people. So we take each of those, the charts we have, we overlap them and from that we could see similarities and relationship dynamics.
Carl Lentz Justin Bieber Biwheel
DANA: Okay, there is a lot going on in this chart, so Carl's Saturn and North node are in Virgo and this is conjunct Justin's midheaven and Chiron. And Saturn is the planet of maturity and can relate to like father figures in one's life and the north node will add some sort of like magnetic direction to this, the nodes feel like magnetic in terms of industry, Whether it's romantic or not, Chiron is the wound that needs like help from others in order to heal and the midheaven is the public self and social status and it's especially significant when like you're looking at a famous person's chart. So this combination sort of shows how the relationship with Carl changed, how Justin behaved in public which ultimately transformed the public's perception of him for the better and it seems like a good aspect combo for like fostering trust. Justin might have also felt like Carl was like the father figure, he didn't really have like Jeremy was like renting lambos with him and like you know what is it called, drag racing and hotboxing, private jets.
SARAH: He did refer to him as his second father.
DANA: And Carl’s Saturn in Virgo is opposite Bieber’s Saturn in Pisces and so the Saturn opposition is like an interesting aspect between two people, especially in Virgo and Pisces. Virgo is service and purity and Pisces is like salvation and healing and again this is going to relate to like maturity and responsibility since we're talking about Saturn, so like maybe they would butt heads about some things but ultimately I feel like they probably both help each other grow at least at that point in time. And Justin obviously, I think, I mean for the better in the long run, I don't really know him personally. So I'm just you know whatever Carl's natal Venus retrograde is conjunct Uranus, which is conjunct Justin's natal Jupiter and like Justin is the whole first house Scorpios stelliu, and so Venus retrograde in Scorpio is like really kind of about like breaking all of your bones in order to heal again, you know when they do that, like to set the bones, it's just like pain, you're like going through all of your pain in order to heal and like think about your values, Venus and Scorpio often like signifies trust issues and like could really be difficult relating to other people which is true and like some extent for all Scorpio placements, Uranus is shock and detours and Jupiter is faith, so this could have been like an instantaneous phenomenon for bonding with one another. Um also like maybe one of those friendships that I feel like we've all had were like you're instantly friends with that person, you know, it's like oh we're best friends now or you've at least known someone who does that, but maybe they both felt understood for once and like maybe it just felt like Carl like meeting Carl for Justin might have triggered his readiness to change.
ELYSE: After being seen with Justin so often, Carl started to hang out in celebrity circles and even became somewhat of a celebrity himself, but not everyone was super happy about that. A lot of the congregants said that Carl was pretty detached from the church, um he wasn't around that much when he was, people said he would go out of his way to like hyper focused on hit the fashion he was wearing and only talk to you if you were considered cool aka a celebrity.
DANA: I know, so girls, I was like trying to look at his chart to be like, where is that? Like fun boy energy coming from Jupiter in Leo square Venus and Venus and Uranus in Scorpio. He like, he like, loves his cum gutters and wants to wear low rise pants every day. Sorry.
SARAH: But that does make sense. Um I also think it's interesting too about Venus in Scorpio because not like that, he was like super goth, but he had like those tattoos and you know, stuff like that, like was known for like the way he dressed. Um So they're at his church. Um People were getting annoyed because there was reserved seating for VIPs at the front of the church as if it was like a weird club and volunteers of the church were just starting to get super annoyed because you know, the church depends on volunteers to get a lot of their work done, but people said the culture was just like Capricorn on steroids, like working 12 hour days and being treated like shit and also ordinary congregants felt that Carl was just really swept up and catering to famous people and you know, the church was just becoming superficial, which is like the opposite of what it was supposed to be. So all of this is kind of like boiling up to the surface when all of a sudden news breaks that Carl had been cheating on his wife of 17 years.
ELYSE: But yeah, a staff member found sexts on Carl's work computer because in classic Gen X fashion, he didn't know how the iCloud works. The messages were between Carl and Ranin Karim, a jewelry designer from Brooklyn and Rainin said she'd been seeing Carl for a few months when the texts were discovered.
SARAH: So quickly after this scalding hot tea was spilled. Carl was fired and then he later admitted to cheating. And he also said he had engaged in like more than one affair and was also kind of having an affair at the same time, I know which yikes but Brian Houston aka like the head guy of the church fired Carl for what he called moral failures and breaches and trust.
ELYSE: Yeah, sounds like it, but critics of Hillsong argue that Carl was allowed to be on his bullshit for so long and that Brian Houston turned a blind eye because Carl was bringing all of this celebrity and media attention, which you know is good for the church and probably lead to some big bucks but Houston denies all of that. He said that firing Carl was the end of a long road of frustration he had been experiencing with the former pastor. So what was going on when carl was finally fired from Hillsong?
Transits Happening When Carl Lentz Was Fired
DANA: Okay, so that was on November 4th 2020 in New York on October 31st there was a full moon in Taurus exactly conjunct Uranus. Full moons bring awareness and illumination and Uranus is shocking news or behavior. And since the full moon is like when the sun is opposite the moon, the sun was also opposite Uranus and regular listeners know that Uranus oppositions frequently show up in our breaking news charts and this happened two days before Carl's birthday. So the sun was almost exactly conjunct his natal sun and his solar return as well as his natal Venus, retrograde and Uranus in Scorpio. So now we have like dual Uranus activations. It could be like shining a light on his shocking behavior as well as shocking behavior in general and just like exposing his filth and then even more insane is that it's during Carl's Uranus opposition. So the ultimate expose is like your own Uranus opposition, I guess it's just like exposing the truth, which is, you know, jarring or surprising and it just like totally blew Carl's cover and I guess Scorpio and Taurus is the axis of sex. So you know, it's not surprising, I guess that it's a sex scandal.
SARAH: Oh.
ELYSE: Interesting.
SARAH: So I know, I knew I was like, I bet Uranus is going to be in this chart because it was sudden um or at least set into the public, but after Carl was fired, other women came forward. Is it surprised? Probably not to say that he was just like a real dipshit and one of these women was a woman named Leona Kimes. Leona is currently a Hillsong pastor in Boston but before that she had worked for the Lentz family as a nanny and she wrote an essay for Medium that kind of like aired all of Carl's dirty laundry. She said that Carl had sexually abused her and just have been really creepy to her and overly flirtatious. But you know, Carl basically kind of threatened her and said that, you know, if she ever came forward and his reputation was ruined, he would ruin hers too.
DANA: Just like a man of God.
ELYSE: But the scandals didn't just stop with Carl. Hillsong is just really having a moment when it comes to controversies. One of their London preachers was moved out of a high leadership role after he made some dismissive comments about the murder of George Floyd. Asshole. Um, a letter to New York leadership surface saying volunteers were being severely overworked. There were several instances of intolerance of LGBTQI+ people and plenty of shady financial dealings. One pastor even lied about having cancer for some reason and he was caught.
SARAH: Not even founder Brian Houston could escape the scandals. Brian recently had to step down for the rest of the year after being charged with not alerting authorities about his father's sexual abuse crime. So allegedly his father, who is now dead, sexually assaulted a kid in 1970 and the police are saying that Brian knew about it and never reported it. So now he has a three-week hearing back in Australia where they're basically going to argue that he withheld information that could've helped prosecute his father.
DANA: Wow.
ELYSE: Major yikes. But yeah, so Hillsong definitely has not had an easy few years. So generally dana like what are going on with their transits?
DANA: Well the one major one which is huge is that Hillsong just wrapped its nodal return which lasted from May 2020 through January 2022. If you're a new listener, the nodes are eclipse points and whatever signs they're in are the signs where the eclipses will occur in that year or like over those years. So eclipses are like a huge deal. Um one of the main predictive techniques in astrology eclipses are like wormholes, it's like Donnie Darko energy, it's just like sudden shifts in your life where you're like taken on one timeline to another. People come into your life. People come out the normal return occurs every 19 years and reflects major life changes. One example we have is one Ben Affleck and J lo started dating again. It was their first total return since their relationship anyway though,
SARAH: So many nodal returns.
DANA: Fated events occurred that we're always going to happen when the nodes aren't like involved with each other. So what what is also interesting though is that the year Hillsong was founded, there was a solar eclipse at 19 degrees Gemini and 11 degrees Sagittarius and then a lunar eclipse in Gemini at 27 degrees. And in 2021, we had almost like the exact mirroring the nation's, the solar eclipse in Sagittarius was at 12 instead of 11 degrees And the Gemini at 27 was a full moon instead of an eclipse. But it ended that season. So it's just sort of like interesting that these degrees lineup, they, it doesn't always happen like that for nodal returns or nodal oppositions. Also though Hillsong has Saturn and Pluto conjunct in libra. And in 2020 Saturn and Pluto were both in Capricorn, forming a square aspect to Hillsong’s, lead replacements and so Saturn and libra are like the planets of like power and like often endings and Anne Ortelee uses the Saturn Pluto midpoint as like the death point and so Libra is the sign of relationships. It's all about like harmony and coming together and Capricorn is about structures and Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn was a time when all of our structures came crashing down. So this is just like pretty apt,
ELYSE: Very apt. If you had a structure, it came crashing down. There are no structures left in the world. obviously. That's not true, unfortunately. Well, yeah, overall, Hillsong megachurch is, you know, when you open those, those closed doors, you're going to find some shit. We were upset that it wasn't like a cult we have to admit.
DANA: Well maybe it'll unravel more.
SARAH: It was more like fuckboy energy than the cult leader energy I was hoping for.
ELYSE: We're hoping for some, but we'll have to uh, we'll have to wait for the vow season two to get more cult vibes in our life vibes. But next week we're talking about another shady ass character and that is Simon Leviev aka the Tinder swindler. Yes, can't wait for that. Very excited.
ELYSE: And with that I'm Elyse.
DANA: I'm Dana.
SARAH: I'm Sarah.
ELYSE: And this is Allegedly Astrology.